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The Senseless Ambiguity of North American Turn Signals

The Senseless Ambiguity of North American Turn Signals

Turn signals. They’re a good invention. Use them. Every motor vehicle legal for road use has
to have a certain number of exterior lights and indicators to be considered roadworthy. This is practically a worldwide truth, and
for good reason. Putting our fragile meat bags into metal boxes
capable of traveling speeds well in excess of what our bodies can naturally accomplish
is inherently dangerous. To help make this activity just a little bit
safer, governments world-over have mandated that these high-speed mechanical conveyance
devices be fitted with indicator lights to help inform the humans in control of other
dangerous driving machines just what sort of action the vehicles around them are currently
doing, or about to do. Hopefully, this helps avoid collisions. And it does! But there’s one continent in particular –North America– that allows tail lights that are proven to be a safety compromise, that would
seem bizarre to anyone living in Europe, and which frustrate me to no end. What is that compromise? Well, let’s take a look. Oh no, I’m gonna have to go outside for
this, aren’t I? Gah! Nature! This is a 2002 Honda Odyssey. It’s a minivan, the most exciting and desirable
class of vehicles available today. This vehicle is following European tail light
standards. Notice this red section of the tail light. This is the brake light, activated by the
brake light switch on the brake pedal, and whenever it’s lit, you know without a doubt
that the driver is slowing down (at least barring a mechanical issue or a driver riding
the brake). With the aid of the third brake light, there
are a total of three indicators to tell drivers following the Odyssey that it is slowing down. Now notice this amber section of the tail
light. Whenever it’s lit, you know that the driver
is signalling for a turn. There is no ambiguity between these two signals. Red always means stopping, and amber always
means turning. This is a 2013 Chevrolet Volt. You may have immediately noticed the compromise
here but let’s make it more clear. If I step on the brake pedal, three lights
illuminate just like in the Odyssey. But if I hit the turn signal, now one of the
brake lights has started flashing. There is no amber indicator of any kind on
the rear of this vehicle. In North America – that’s right, Canada,
too – the motor vehicle standards allow for red turn signals on the rear. But even worse, they allow for one indicator
to share the function of both a brake light and a turn signal. To manufacturers who are continuing to use
this lighting setup, I have two words: Stop it! Now if it’s somehow not obvious that this
is a safety compromise, let’s go over the reasons why. Recall a statement I made 11 sentences ago. “There is no ambiguity between these two
signals. Red always means stopping, and amber always
means turning.” Well, there most certainly IS signal ambiguity
when it comes to this vehicle. For other drivers, the only way to discern
the meaning of the signal is its behavior. A solid light indicates braking, and a flashing
light indicates turning. Fair enough, but this creates far too many
unclear and thus potentially dangerous situations. Say you’re following a vehicle with a broken
tail light. If it were the Volt, then every time the brake
pedal is depressed, only one side would illuminate. To an American driver, this would appear as
a turn signal until the point in which they have registered that it isn’t flashing. In essence, its function is delayed for however
long it takes the person behind you to realize that the left tail light is out. Granted, the third brake light, mandated for
passenger vehicles in 1986, helps by only illuminating with the brake pedal, but then
you have to rely on the driving knowing that. At a glance, this looks like a driver signaling
for a right turn, which is not an ideal assumption to make. They might be slamming on the brake. Also, if you’re on an angle and can only
see one of the tail lights, again you can’t get a clear picture of what’s going on. If you’re looking from this angle and the
driver has their left turn signal on, then you couldn’t see that they are stopping. This might be an uncommon problem, but imagine
you’re following this car through a left turn and you can’t see the other tail light. With the left one flashing, it’s up to you
to see that the third brake light is lit. See the problem? Of course if you have a brake light go out,
now you’ve also lost a turn signal! Say on this car that the left tail light went
out. Then, every time I step on the brake, it will
briefly look as though I’ve engaged my right turn signal, since this light hasn’t lit
up. And even worse, if I am using the right turn
signal, now this light can’t function as a brake light, and the only thing that will
indicate that I’m slowing down is the third brake light. So with this light out, and that light flashing
the only indicator that you’re slowing down or stopping is the Center High-Mounted Stop
Light (CHMSL). That’s pretty dumb! Now for the Europeans out there, you might
ask what this vehicle looks like with its hazards on. Let me show you! They look like this. Now neither one of these lights can function
as a brake light! If I were driving around with my hazards on,
the only indicator that I’m slowing down is the third brake light. I think it’s for this reason that in Illinois,
and other states I’m sure, you cannot drive with your hazards on; it’s considered illegal. And this is a shame because there are plenty
of reasons where you would want to do that, such as letting other drivers know that you’re
on a spare tire and warning them that you’re driving slowly. But with this car, with the hazards on, TWO
THIRDS of its brake lights are no longer functional as brake lights. In the Odyssey, the hazards can be on and
the brake lights work completely normally. But this car? Ugh, I can’t stand this design! Now there are plenty of vehicles here in the
States that use red turn signals, but use separate indicators. In fact on this Odyssey, from 1999 until 2001,
the turn signals were a slightly lighter shade of red. That’s better, but there’s still ambiguity. For a vehicle in Europe, red light ALWAYS
means braking. If you ever see red, you know you should slow
down. But here in North America, that’s right
Canada too, red could just mean turning. So long as this is allowed, we will always
have to deal with signal ambiguity here in North America. While I’m up on my high horse, let me say
to you, car manufacturers in America, could you please just stop? Why do you continue to use this flawed design? Are you so concerned with saving a few dollars
per car? Multiple studies have shown that there is
a clear safety advantage to using amber turn signals. Even without a study it should seem obvious– distinguishing function by color will always be faster than by whether it’s flashing or not. My speculative answer as to why this continues
to be a thing in North America is that car designers like the cleaner look of red-only
tail lights, and the general public just doesn’t care enough. That second part seems clear. When the new Chevrolet Cruze hatchback was
released, GM decided to put in amber turn signals. SaabKyle04’s review of this car mentioned
this, but only as an aside in courtesy of those who might prefer it. It’s not preference, people, it’s safety. It truly baffles me how little people care
about this. And other times, the design seems to be there,
but the function is killed. I was thrilled when I saw the design of the
tail lights on both the Chevy Cruze sedan and the Equinox. Two white inserts, one of these is probably
an amber turn signal! I thought, good going GM, you fixed yourself. Nope! That one is a reverse light, and that one
does nothing. Although, I would bet that if either of these
cars is to be sold in Europe, you would indeed find an amber bulb behind that white lens
there. Even weirder, this problem isn’t limited
to American automakers. Sure, your GM, Ford, and Chrysler products
are most likely to use this turn-signal brake-light two-for-one combo, but a surprising number
of Volkswagen and Audi models do it, too. They couldn’t get away with it in Europe,
but in the US they do. That’s why I think it’s a designer preference. Plenty of “foreign” automakers — ♪ lively music ♪ Plenty of “foreign” automakers also use red turn signals on their cars for
sale in the US market. It’s less common to see the shared turn
signal and brake light, but it is surprisingly common in German makes. Oh, and even the Tesla Model S uses this obnoxious
turn signal brake light combo for models sold domestically. Yes, I know that’s American but, eh… [sigh of frustration because this part of the script hadn’t been completely thought out] Now I get it, how often is this really an
issue? We seem to be doing OK with cars like this. And a good, defensive driver will probably
still treat a red light of any sort as cause to start slowing down–or at least cover the
brake. But I’d love to see an entity like the Insurance
Institute for Highway Safety starting to take this into account for their safety scores. I would imagine the IIHS has data on rear-end
collisions per vehicle model, and I’d be curious to see if there’s a clear difference
between red-only cars and red-plus-amber. But the point remains–in Europe at large,
a red light on the back of a vehicle will always mean braking, and an amber light will
always mean turning or a hazard condition. See red? Must be braking. See amber? Must be turning. But in the US, see red? Who knows!? You’ll have to stare at it for a moment
to be sure. And while I’m griping–I know I’m such
a downer–this 16 year old minivan has a feature that ought to be standard in every car sold
today. Here’s the instrument cluster. Pretty basic by today’s standards, but it
gets the job done. Now I’ve pulled one of the brake lights out
so it isn’t working. Watch what happens as soon as I step on the
brake– a red light appears. What does it say? BRAKE LAMP. This 16 year old car is monitoring the current
going through the brake light circuit, and when it gets too low, it illuminates a warning
light on the dash. Why is this not just a universal thing? Another thing, can we make automatic headlights
standard? This vehicle has a light sensor on the dashboard
and when it gets dark outside the headlights come on by themselves. Even better, they’ll also come on if you
turn on the windshield wipers during the day. I’ve seen more and more people lately driving
around at night without their headlights on, and I think that’s because so many new cars
have backlit screens for gauges, so the instrument cluster is always lit. In an older car like the Odyssey, it’s obvious
that your headlights aren’t on because at night you can’t see the gauges, but that’s
largely not the case anymore. It’s apparently a little too easy to not
notice that you haven’t turned on your headlights. And also, too many people see the light from
their daytime running lights and assume that their headlights are already on, not realizing
that their tail lights aren’t lit for nighttime driving. So please, let’s get automatic headlights
in more cars, OK? They’re almost all computer controlled via
a relay anyway, so could you just stick an ambient light sensor on the dash and call
it a day, thanks. Now as you may know if you follow this channel,
in my family there are now both a Chevy Volt and a Chevy Bolt EV. And in the case of the Bolt, it has separate
amber turn signals! How amazing! Now, I suspect the reason it does is that
GM is marketing this car in Europe, and rather than create two separate tail light designs,
they use the same European-compliant version for both markets. I think this probably also explains the Chevy
Cruze hatchback’s use of amber turn signals. But this car demonstrates a humorous dedication
to design in spite of regulations. See in the US, tail lights, turn signals,
and headlights cannot be on any part of the vehicle that moves. So they can’t be on the hood or bonnet,
the doors or the boot/trunk/hatch lid/whatever. On this car, they are on the hatch. To get around this, GM has installed a second
set of redundant brake lights in the bumper which the vehicle will switch to as soon as
the hatch is opened. Take a look. What this says to me is that the whole “one
lamp for both the turn signal and the brake light” isn’t so much of a cost-saving
measure. It’s just a design that people like and
can get away with. And I don’t think they should. Incidentally, I saw an Audi crossover on the
road with tail lights like the Bolt, and one of the LED modules had failed. The computer had apparently detected this,
so for this car, the left-hand bumper brake light
was illuminating in its stead. It was rather an odd sight, but there was
a working brake light on both sides. That’s a very clever and thoughtful use
of redundancy there, Audi. Good job. But the fact that the LED failed is a little,
um, worrisome. Anyway, that’s enough hammering on about
automotive design for now. I admit–I like to look at the designs of
tail lights and I think they are a huge part of the look to any vehicle. I always appreciate a cool-looking tail light,
and I can understand the temptation to keep the design clean by eliminating the amber
bulb. But please. Think of the children! Or at the very least, think of the various
scenarios we’ve discussed in which having a separate amber turn signal is clearly advantageous and creates a safer, less ambiguous driving environment. Thanks for watching, I hope you enjoyed this
video! This is a little different from most of my
videos, and I have Jared S –AKA Wookie Goldberg– on Twitter for the inspiration to make this. I was beginning to worry that I was the only
human who was remotely concerned about this stupid design, but it seems at least 12 others
agree! So that’s good news, I guess. Anyway, as always, thanks to everyone who
supports the channel on Patreon, especially the fine folks scrolling up the screen. This channel is made possible with the support
of people like you, and if you’d like to join these amazing people and support the
channel too, why not take a look at my Patreon page? Thanks for your consideration, and I’ll
see you next time! Gah! Nature! That actually pricked me. Great going!

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86 thoughts on “The Senseless Ambiguity of North American Turn Signals

  1. Pro tip, if the car in front of you is getting closer, they are slowing down/stopped

    If you don't have time to figure this out you were following too closely

  2. I have been driving for 44 years and have never had a problem with red turn-signals. There is NO ambiguity whatsoever. If lights are broken, regardless of color, the lights don't work. It is not a problem. Good grief just keep your lights working and all is OK. Is there anyone left who doesn't put down what we do.

  3. I gotta say that when we were driving yesterday we would have probably died if a our driver confused braking lights with a turning ligt, luckily I live in Europe so it was amber vs red. (We where going 235kmh on the German autobahn and you slow down when you get close to cars and pull up when a car switches to the right to let you pas) Lets say we slowed down to 170 and the driver before us needed to stop for any reason but we thought he was letting us pas. Then we would have slammed with around 185kmh into a car driving 145.

  4. It seems that the red brake/turn light combo is only used in the US and Canada. All other countries in the Americas and elsewhere use red brake lights + amber turn signals, no combo allowed.
    Another dangerous feature is those tiny turn signals far from the corner of the vehicle, so you can't see them from an angle.

  5. I'd like to point this out as being a motor enthusiast. It seems nowadays car manufacturers have listened to this, and are starting to return to having amber turn signals in the rear. Most new models I see have amber turn signals, minus most truck models.

  6. Many newer cars in Europe have daylight running lights, these are often LEDs. Thing is, it is not mandatory that the rear side lights have to be lit when DLRs are lit during daytime. Many cars here lacks a system which turns on headlights and sidelights automatically when it's getting darker outside. Therefore we have lot of cars that drive around during twilight with only front DLRs lit up and not a single light running at rear. Completely dark. This is stupid.

  7. Yes, no one cares about this but you. The fact that you are stating there is a tangible safety benefit with no evidence to back it up is dumb. Furthermore, the Chevy Bolt you showed has the dumbest turn signal configuration I've ever seen. They aren't even remotely close to where people will look for them and therefore useless.

  8. Instead of light sensors for the headlights ( they CAN be fooled) How about making the turn on automatically when the engine starts!! No ifs…ands…or butts!! Just ON….no matter WHAT…and auto OFF when you shut the engine off….naturally….

  9. “Turn signals, they are a good invention, use them” Not even 5 seconds into the video and I know this is going to be good.

  10. it's not so much much a "cost saving measure" but more of a "profit making measure" because vehicle manufacturers in order to be able to sell their product in a market will always make the vehicle compliant with local regulations. having the redundant break lights is a way to get around the regulations, so that you can open the boot with the main set of lights attached.
    So what is really needed is the regulations changing to require dedicated amber turn signals.
    one thing North America tends to be lacking in is…. Standards.

  11. Follow up video idea
    4 pin trailer wiring.
    Turns amber turn signal into flashing brake light. Most trailers (even with 7 pin wiring) do not allow for a "stop" circuit, even though electric trailer brakes are triggered by "brake" circuit (variable output from electric brake controller in vehicle).

  12. That minivan with the redundant lights really bothers me. They actually wired each individual light to the computer, added a hatch-open detection switch to swap lights, and added light failure detection to fall back… instead of just having both sets come on!? That would be so much simpler, with fewer points of failure, more lights for the other drivers to see, redundancy in case the light is covered in dirt but still working, and no possible confusion.

  13. There's a good reason why many American car brands have lost so much of the market to Asian and European car brands. This is just a small one.

  14. i never knew about this for years until a few days ago i nearly had an accident with an imported ford mustang and im absolutely baffled that this is a real thing

  15. Great video. Having just returned from California I was surprised to note that so many European brand cars, like Audi, Mercedes, etc, have their brake lights altered for the American market, ie they do away with a separate amber indicator we have here and instead flash one of the brake lights. In my view this looks cheap and is, I would have thought and as you discuss, considerably less safe.
    Most things in the US I find impressive and well thought through (ordering meals and drinks in a bar for example – here in the UK we have to clamber for bar staff attention to spend our money at the bar), however a few things, like the flashing brake light issue (which we stopped doing in the UK back in the 1950s) and the appalling design of electrical power points, seem almost bizarrely poor.

    It might also be better to consider not using 110v but 230v instead as it means thicker wiring (and so more copper) is needed at 110v for the same power rating (the hair dryer in my hotel room had a ridiculously thick cable compared to the one I have at home in the UK, which even has a higher rating) and may even be safer from the electrocution standpoint (at 110 v it could be more likely that the subject will tend to remain in contact with the source).

  16. Okay I seriously thought you were going to do a Doug demuro reference when introducing the Odyssey for a second. but then again it probably makes sense considering that I jumped from a Doug demuro review right into this video.

  17. Here in sweden it's the law to have the lights on 24 hours a day. Might sound strange but it's easier to se if the car is moving or not. Studies have said that it has helped.

  18. 4:53 great, just combine that with the red funnel ferries, say, a disabled person was in the vehicle, and…
    yeah, not a good situation, only the 3rd brake light can function as a brake light
    (for those wondering, the hazard lights are used to alert ferry staff that that vehicle needs to be near the lift (or elevator for anyone who doesn't live in NZ or the UK))
    thankfully where the red funnel ferries are all vehicles follow European standards

  19. I'm going to disagree that the 'compromise is a problem. The only problem is people not signalling at all. if the other brake light is solid the car is braking..and turning.

    This is NOT a problem. It only is to you.

  20. Meanwhile some drivers in my country change their blinkers to white LEDs… and its very hard to see on cars with clear blinker light cover in daylight

  21. In Europa cars has always amber turn ligth. Only imported single car form the US have sometimes red turn ligths. That is confusing.

  22. I was actually in the process of separating the brakes from the turn signals on my 00 Blazer and doing separate running lights too.

  23. That's a big hell no on automatic lights tho. I actually disabled that on my 00 Blazer. I don't want computers telling me when my lights should and shouldn't be on… ESPECIALLY during the day. I also disabled my DRL. I hate those. They look stupid to me, lights on during the day, and a waste of bulbs. Also, at least on some vehicles, the computer tries to fire the automatic lights IMMEDIATELY once the key is turned, instead of once the vehicle has started completely and the alternator is fully spinning and keeping the power at a steady 12.8+V. Not only does that steal power from the starter and ignition assembly when trying to start the vehicle, especially when temperatures are below freezing, but also it fries your HID or LED headlights ballasts, if you have those. The ballasts require steady power. When starting a vehicle with your door open, notice how your lights flicker? Yeah, that power inconsistency is hard on ballasts, and can kill them in as little as a couple months, rendering your nice expensive headlights already in need of replacement. So in disabling the automatic headlights system, not only did I have much more power available to my starter in the winter, making cold starting at -15F a breeze, but also kept me from ever having another ruined HID ballast ever again.

  24. Lifelong American driver here. There is no confusion. Blinking light means turn signal. Color is irrelevant and unimportant. In my entire life I have never been confused over what a car is doing with all these combinations of lights. Big to do about nothing.

  25. Light design and regulations in the US baffle me. There's regulations on size and there's a German car I forget the make and model of but were forced to use red because the amber was too small. I think Doug reviewed it. Maybe. It's on YouTube somewhere and a popular car guy.

    Win some lose some I guess.

  26. 2nd time seeing this so figured id post 🙂
    My 99 Tahoe only has Red for Break/Turn, doesn't bother me.
    I did however add a strobe module to my 3rd brake light so it strobes/flashes 4 times then goes Solid, I did this for added safety, works with most people.

  27. In the meantime i see more and more cars having the running lights double as turning signals. And creeping rear turning signals (from inside to outside), especially on Audis, a trend that has been started by the American Mustang. Thats in a european country that doesnt want to be european anymore.

  28. The 2 things that bother me most in automobile light design are: when flash light and stop light are so close together that when slowing down, the stop light is so bright that you can't see the flashing light. And when a front headlight's low beam is burnt the car's electronics automatically switching from low beam to high beam. Literally one in 20 cars has a high beam light turned on an we can't drive safely at night if that car is behind or against us!

  29. I'm in Germany and I have made a trip to the states. I think the amber is more noticeable. The one thing I did notice a lot of the Americans don't use them anyway, so guess it's not a big deal there.

  30. You’re ignoring the real safety “compromise”. That being the widespread, almost universal practice of idiot drivers signaling as, or AFTER they actually begin turning.
    Did they never learn that the purpose of signaling is to advise following drivers what they are GOING to do, rather than confirming what they are already doing?
    I see it constantly.

  31. Lets also differentiate between automatic headlights and automatic DIP (Low/High beam) – auto high beam can be unpredictable and possibly annoying to drivers ahead – at least have the auto bring on Low Beam with the option to select Auto Dip. I drive a MY18 Ford Ranger Wildtrak (AU Model), auto headlights are great but I have to turn them OFF (Onto Manual at least) when driving at night as a courtesy to other drivers (esp. since I have a LED Light bar) and for predictability when driving on country roads at night (sucks when lights dip because the sensor has detected tail lights which are really roadside markers).

  32. This is also a big hazard when splitting lanes on a motorcycle since usually only one side of the tail lights are visible to the motorcyclist.

  33. I like European gun serial number requirements too! THREE serial numbers. One on the frame (receiver), one on the slide and one on the barrel. USA? You just need one on the receiver. I'd like to see the multiple serial numbers, and 1/3 of a stolen gun = 1 whole stolen gun, enjoy your prison cell. If you change the slide or barrel, they get renumbered to the receiver's serial number.

  34. This video is wrong. It's a very bad idea to suggest that all cars should have automatic light sensors to detect when to turn on the light. My wife's car has a bad sensor and sometimes the light turns off in the middle of driving at night. The dealer can't figure out what's wrong. It's a good thing that there is a manual override to allow us to turn the lights on or off and not have the car decide. We humans are better judges of when to turn the lights on and off instead of letting a faulty sensor decide. Daytime running lights are also a bad idea. On some cars, the extra load on the generator can use up as much as 5% of the car's efficiency when driving at 30 mph. With millions of cars on the road that's a lot of gasoline or electricity going to waste. It's better to allow people to turn the lights off during the day to save the environment instead of wasting energy. The main reason the auto industry pushed for daytime running lights is to burn out the bulbs faster to generate more bulb sales.

  35. When I was about 9, I wondered why cars didn't have lights on the sides, after observing a car crossing an intersection ahead of us at night. It so happened the next year, side-marker lights became a new standard.

  36. This is interesting. I suppose it is an age thing. Cars in the US, and probably around the world originally only had red brake lenses. they didn't even have a turn signal, drivers had to use hand signals to indicate turns.
    Then along came the flashing brake light. This was plenty for the current day. you push the lever for the direction you want to go, and the brake light for that side would now blink, the brake light on the opposite side a steady light.
    This is they way the history went.
    It would be interesting to find out why the European cars were changed to have that Yellow/orange light for turn signals only.
    I think it was the late 70's (ish) when the us started to put the yellow/orange lense on a turn signal lamp. We still occasionally see them today but for the most part, the US cars have reverted back to the old standard, one red lens for brake and flashing turn signal. Probably driving because of cost, it is more expensive to have the European light system installed than to just use the red lens system.

    It seems to be the streets are now laden with blinding LED and ARC headlamps.
    All was good when DOT controlled the sealed beam. The lamp had a low beam and a high beam. The incandescent yellowish glow helped to keep the blinding glared down to approaching traffic.
    The Auto Makers wanted to make design changes, pitched a long story that DOT should not have listened to, and got persmission to use LED and HID headlights. ALL THE RULES WENT OUT THE DOOR.
    We now have cars with LED and HID headlights that will blind you if you are on coming traffic, and that is JUST THE DRIVING BEAM. The driving beam is as bright as the original HIGH BEAM. When the on coming driver has the HIGH BEAM ON, you can't see, even worse if you have fog conditions, rain, etc.
    One story that the car makers tell DOT, is that they have used a lens to focus the light onto the road and not onto oncoming traffic. Good story to tell the kiddies when they go to bed, but does not hold much water in real time. If the approaching car is coming over a crest in the road, the light is focused on the on coming traffic, and you are flashed as you near the sides of the oncoming vehicle. It just does not work.

    Now lets bring in the drivers that put the lights on BRIGHT BEAM and NEVER turn them off. These people are dangerous and are causing problems on the road every time they drive the roads. It is so bad, the police won't even go after them anymore. It has become a nusance, an insurance risk to drive because of any accidents that are caused by this "blinding" from oncoming headlights.
    What can be done?? Almost nothing. DOT won't listen to any arguments about the now TOO BRIGHT headlamps that the manufacturers have run away with. THESE LAMPS ARE SO BRIGHT in drivers mode, they can throw away, AND THEY SHOULD, the bright beam as it is no longer needed.
    As for color, the bright Yellowish beam, that imitates the old incandescent sealed beams, are bad, but not as bad as the white LED or HID beams. The White LED and HID beams are blinding in drivers beam mode and shockingly blinding in HiBeam mode. The white beams should be banned from all roads as they are a potential hazard to all drivers.
    The high beams should be eliminated, but DOT won't do that, so the circuit should be wired so they have to be turned on EACH TIME THE CAR IS STARTED. That way you know these drivers are deliberately trying to blind the oncoming traffic. Then we can then Petition the police to start ticketing these arrogent drivers.

    It would be great to see what you might come up with on this bad situation on our streets of America.

  37. Red lights on the back of a car in Europe doesn't always mean brake. They are also for signaling where the car is. If you turn on the head lights some red lights also turn on

  38. OMG! I f'en hate the headlight issues. I pass thru Pasadena in CA and most of the asian drivers drive on the 210 fway without any lights. Moves from lane to lane you do not see them and I had a few close calls. I send an email the DOT and heard nothing back!

  39. What annoys me just as much is the position of turn signals on some cars nowadays. I was behind an infiniti suv type thing, and I had no idea why he was just sitting there with the light green. When he moved up a bit, I finally saw his right turn signal – WAY down at the bottom of his right bumper! Like wheel level. wtf?

  40. Some cars have a kind of moving brake light these days rather than a flashing one and I've no idea why. It feels unnecessary and it's distracting compared to a normal flash. (Also: wow. I never knew there was this difference.)

  41. 1:03 Somebody's been watching Doug DeMuro. Watch his video on the Oldsmobile Custom Cruiser. That one's worse still since it only has two small taillights (on a huge car) and no third brake light.

  42. This guy looks like Robert Dunn from Aging Wheels and Wilbur Robinson had a baby and this is what it looks and acts like.

  43. Always use your head- and tail lights imo. I think it is required in Europe. Though I see quite a few without it on. I don't know for sure though, I don't have a drivers license.

  44. I actually have heard that headlights being on in the day has some level of benefit, especially due to the angle of pedestrians meaning you can tell a car isn't parked if it's in the distance. I've heard other benefits, as well, but I forget. Either way, I use my headlights, even in the day.

  45. U think about the same weird things I do. I told my wife the other day “It’s strange that the U.S. doesn’t mandate amber turn signals in the rear of vehicles like Europe does.” And then she’s like “Are you high?”

  46. Is anyone really so stupid that they can't understand North American turn signals? You must really have a low opinion of other peoples intelligence.

  47. NO to automatic lights. They look at lux levels only and not visibility. Too many cars (usually silver) driving round in poor visibility with no lights on if the lux level is above the threshold. That takes YOU as the driver to take action.

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